Diary of a Matchmaker
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Diary of a Matchmaker
When a Wedding Reveals the Cracks
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Weddings don’t fall apart over flowers, seating charts, or playlists. They fall apart over values that were never named. In this episode, we talk about why wedding conversations get so emotionally charged and what they actually reveal about us long before a nikah is even on the table.
We get real about how weddings become a mirror for deeper stuff: validation, control, people-pleasing, money trauma, and the need to finally feel “chosen.” This isn’t about who’s shallow or stingy. It’s about how unresolved expectations quietly shape the way we love, argue, and attach meaning to milestones.
Whether you’re single, talking, engaged, or just watching from the sidelines, this conversation helps you notice what needs work before it shows up as a wedding fight.
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I want this day to be special, memorable, something I can tell my grandkids about. Doing a simple wedding sounds boring, but at the same time, I don't want the wedding to be a financial burden. I'm stuck. Okay. You're in one of your moods. Okay, I can see that. Weddings, weddings, weddings. That's the whole point of talking to somebody, isn't it? And trying to get married.
SPEAKER_00:So the point is getting married, not just having the wedding.
SPEAKER_02:I think all the focus and energy just goes into that one day and none into the potential 50 plus years that you're gonna be spending with the person.
SPEAKER_00:Not for everyone, no.
SPEAKER_02:Come on. Generally, culturally speaking, just it just feels like that.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, I respectfully disagree, but okay.
SPEAKER_02:Oh come on. You don't think there's just so much emphasis and focus on just that one day?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, there is, but not and more so than the rest. Maybe for some people, but you're saying generally. No, it's not generally.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, alright. I guess we agree to disagree. Yeah. But nonetheless, when we were getting married and we always come back to our story, just like in the previous episode.
SPEAKER_00:I think people are sick of our story. Guys, if you're sick of our story, let us know.
SPEAKER_02:It's not like we shared from day one until now every time. We share bits and pieces that are relevant to the topic. So I don't know, be honest. How much did you really think about your special day? How did you envision it when you were a teenager, maybe in your twenties?
SPEAKER_00:Honestly, I don't remember how I envisioned it when I was that young as a teenager. But like in my twenties, I always thought it's gonna be classy, simple. Um very, very simple.
SPEAKER_02:Like what do you what does simple mean to you?
SPEAKER_00:Just like a place where like people, family and friends can sit down and hear each other talk, and not just like being everything being just over um music and the dancing. Like I uh imagined it to be intimate. Um outdoor. I've always wanted to have an outdoor wedding.
SPEAKER_02:Always something that's always risky, isn't it?
SPEAKER_00:Um well depends. Here in Canada, yes, it would be risky because it's uh rains in the summer and stuff, but back home it's it's not. Okay. Yeah. And that's what we actually planned.
SPEAKER_02:So we got married December 2019, if you guys recall. And uh of course it was a simple Nika go back to I think it was the first or second episode where we didn't the second episode where we shared our story. So um the wedding itself we were planning to have in Palestine. Yeah, and uh it was gonna be a destination wedding. Well, a destination wedding for me and my family. Of course, you guys all know March uh 2020 COVID happened and the world just went to hell. Yeah. Apparently. Whatever that means.
SPEAKER_00:Um may it never be repeated. Okay. But yeah, what we planned was we found this, like, I don't know if you can call it a hole because it was like uh not a park, a garden, you could say. A garden. We were gonna have, I think, like 90 guests between my family, my friends, your family, and your friends. Uh remember the menu was gonna be like um barbecue. Yeah, there would be nice kebabs. They were gonna do like the the barbecuing in front of the guests, so it was gonna be really beautiful.
SPEAKER_02:I was excited. I was and also don't forget uh my beautiful speech. So I wrote a speech that uh was kind of in partly in Arabic and a little bit in English, but it was a very humorous speech. And uh I remember rehearsing it with you all over the phone and then just weaving in like Arabic jokes and proverbs in there, and so we were like super excited.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I even uh found a dress from Jordan. I got it from Jordan, white dress. Like I had to visit, I don't know, 15 different stores because what I was looking for was so simple that no store had it. Wow, yes, okay, yeah, subhanAllah.
SPEAKER_02:That sounds like such a contradiction. Why? It's so simple, but no store had it. So it was like because you should see all the dresses, like I would imagine it's so extravagant and nice that no store could No.
SPEAKER_00:That's what uh what girls want these days, like these big dresses with so much like uh not the glitter, I don't know what it's called. Um, like lace and design, a lot of design. Design, like you look like a Cinderella or something. Yeah, that's not what I wanted. But regardless, subhanAllah, yeah, things happen.
SPEAKER_02:So, of course, like I said, March 2020 came, COVID happened, and we were just stuck. Should we have our wedding? Should we not? Uh are we gonna have to cancel it? So the first inclination was okay, COVID's not gonna be that long.
SPEAKER_03:Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:So we postponed it to I believe August. Yeah. And then we had to redo the invitations, and we kept thinking, all right, inshallah, I'll be in Palestine, we're gonna have the wedding in August. And then August came around, and of course, you guys know COVID was still around. The second time we ended up canceling it because we just felt that okay, COVID's gonna be around much longer than we thought. And uh Alhamdulillah was the right decision because of course COVID stuck around for about two years. And uh needless to say, we never had a wedding.
SPEAKER_00:We never had the down payment back.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, that too. I forgot that part. So your parents made a huge down payment for the hall and uh ended up losing that money. And uh the reason we're sharing this is because, of course, you know, the one thing that surprisingly we haven't really discussed much about is the wedding itself. Right? I mean, we've talked about compatibility assessments and asking the right questions and making your search easy, but of course, there's so much time and energy that gets invested into planning that big day. And believe it or not, many times, you know, what could be the beginning of a beautiful relationship ends up getting called off just because families can't come to an agreement about the wedding. Yes, it has to be. Have you seen cases like that?
SPEAKER_00:Yes, yes, really, yeah. Well, like in your family, not no no, but like in the community back home. Yeah, everything, uh invitations are sent, everything is set. And then just like a week before, a few days before. A week before or a few days before, or the other day my mom told me about this girl who was who got divorced on her nikah day.
SPEAKER_02:So she had a nikah and then Yeah, not the wedding, the niqah.
SPEAKER_00:I I don't think it's about uh a wedding, I'm not sure, but just things happen sometime, subhanAllah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, so why do these things happen? That's the big question. Or how is it that so many so much time can get invested into assessing compatibility, families can be in agreement about so much, and then all of a sudden wedding time comes, and it's just the smallest thing that can just really trigger either party to to the point where they call it off.
SPEAKER_00:I I I never believe that it's just like one straw and that's it, like one thing resulted in this like big disaster. No. For that one thing. For that one thing. So when like people like let's let's put aside for now, let's put aside the families and their expectations or we're just talking about the guy and the girl. When they have like different expectations for the wedding itself, it's much deeper than just the fact that she wants an extravagant wedding and he wants to save money, it goes much deeper than that.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah. So let's unpack some of the reasons. So, marriage, needless to say, I mean, we we pretty much know this by now, is getting more and more delayed, and the search is becoming so difficult, and it's just become so much harder than during the Prophet's time.
SPEAKER_00:Not that I'm during our parents' time, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:During even our parents' time, yes, like our parents had it much easier. And because of that, these weddings, I would say, are becoming a means of closure for people. Yeah, right? It's symbolizing this reward for so much patience and hard work and this this huge, like it's like a gold medal. I've trained for four years, I've trained for eight years for this one moment, and now I need to stand up on my stage and have that big gold medal put around my neck, right?
SPEAKER_00:Like a graduation ceremony.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's that's what it feels like.
SPEAKER_00:I don't understand it. Like by the time a guy or a girl gets married, they've gone through God knows how many rejections, God knows how many times they've been ghosted, being uh disregarded, people swept left on them, maybe they were interrogated by families, uh like prospective families.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Or maybe they went through divorce previously. That too. This is like a moment of like a a chance for redemption.
SPEAKER_00:Redemption, validation, validation doesn't necessarily mean vanity, by the way. Sometimes that we need that validation for ourselves.
SPEAKER_02:So coming back to our story, um, yes, like I said, we we didn't end up having a wedding. And did you ever think that okay, maybe we'll have a ceremony here when it just got to a point because we lived apart for 14 months and we just thought, you know, what's the point?
SPEAKER_00:And even by the time I came here in March 2021, COVID was still was still happening. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So like it's not like people were just like visiting each other and like weddings were happening and parties or yeah. So but maybe at our 10th anniversary we can have like a Walema. We never even had a Walema.
SPEAKER_02:We never did. Would it be weird to have a Walema?
unknown:No.
SPEAKER_02:It kind it kind of just feels cheesy or desperate. Desperate. It sounds really desperate, like I want to have my moment. So, anyways, um, March 2021, you came and, like you said, COVID was still around and um it stuck around for a bit. So it just got to the point where we said, Let's just cancel it completely. Um, like even when we cancel in August, there was still some hope.
SPEAKER_00:A little, yeah, we will have like a Walima once I come here.
SPEAKER_02:Like, yeah, maybe next year when you come, but it just dragged on for too long and it just seemed so silly to even have a ceremony uh when COVID left. Actually, it hasn't really left if somebody just got diagnosed with COVID a few days ago.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Did you feel uh bummed or like uh disappointed that it didn't happen?
SPEAKER_02:Yes, I was bummed. I was really sad that we didn't have our day. I mean, of course, I worked hard in the speech, your parents lost your money, I was looking to have a nice destination wedding, enjoy some good food, meet your family for the first time. All of those things didn't work out. But Allah had better plans for us, you know, and like because of that, we have a beautiful story to share.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And hopefully we can inspire other people. But I think the main takeaway from that, I mean, there's so many takeaways, but the main one was that simple does not equal bl boring. Right? I want people to understand this. Simple does not equal boring.
SPEAKER_00:Islamic does not equal boring as well.
SPEAKER_02:Islamic does not equal boring either. So when somebody says have a simplistic wedding, have a Islamic wedding, that doesn't mean it's just food, the masjid, you know what? Or and and just like 10, 15 people.
SPEAKER_00:You know what? I understand why people would think Islamic means boring because I've been to Islamic weddings and they've been boring as hell. There's nothing, there's just nasheeds in the background.
SPEAKER_02:We have to read we have to define what an Islamic wedding is.
SPEAKER_00:So I'm just talking about what's out there.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, I think what you mean is a religious wedding. Like the quote unquote religious wedding.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. Okay. So it's just like the same nasheeds you hear at every wedding in the background. There's food, there's nothing. It's like people are talking and that's it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, so the way we envisioned our wedding was number one, it was going to be as simplistic as we can, but beautiful at the same time, which is very doable.
SPEAKER_00:Elegant and simple.
SPEAKER_02:Elegant and simple. But what we wanted was a mixed uh mixed genders, um, but without the dancing. So, and that was very important to us. And I remember talking a lot about this because I was very keen on this. That I don't want to be at a wedding where I can't see your aunts and uh where I can't see if my cousins were planning on coming, I can't see my female cousins. Yeah, I wanted to sit on the table with them, talk to them, enjoy a conversation with them, and do and vice versa. I wanted you to be able to mingle, interact with my cousins and my uncles and things like that. I didn't I was not very keen on a segregated wedding. Not at all. In fact, to the point that it could have even been a deal breaker.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I'm glad we I'm glad we were on the same page. Like, you know, my mom, for example, she doesn't attend mixed weddings, but she had no problem with the way we were planning to have our wedding because because we weren't planning on having music, we were planning on having a dress code. Right. Uh, so like no revealing clothes or stuff. Right. And we were planning on having like some like you could say elegant, elegant music, not uh DJ and like this music that makes people dance and stuff.
SPEAKER_02:Right. Something I don't know, like Feiruz Mkum or something.
SPEAKER_00:Not um Katoom, like uh Fairuz, uh some um Yeah, like okay, okay.
SPEAKER_02:But you know, that's a good point you brought up about what your mom said because sometimes people associate mixed weddings with sin, with dancing and revealing clothing, and and that's not the thing. It's not either or. It's not like mixed equals that. You can have a mixed, beautiful wedding where there is no haram happening. Yes, you are sitting with the opposite gender, but you know, it's an opportunity. Oftentimes, there's one more thing to point out that many times you are seeing people for the first time after many, many years, right? And it's the one time you're gonna get to really reconnect and have a nice conversation and meal with and you want it to be in a segregated environment?
SPEAKER_00:No, and weddings are always the right place, a good place for people to find potentials. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, exactly. So why not facilitate that?
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. Yeah, exactly. You know what would have been nice to have some games, like not talking about board games, but like charades, for example, yeah, where you have, I don't know, the uh groom's family competing against the girls for the family. I've seen stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or like speeches, and it was gonna be fun. So suddenly I feel a sense of loss. But like Alhamdulillah, Allah had better plans. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And also I wanted my speech to be directed at everyone. I don't want to just be staring at men when I'm saying my speech. I wanted to be seeing everyone so I can really get the feel for the room and and just hear the laughs, and hopefully if they did laugh. But uh but I still have that speech somewhere in downtown.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, remember it starts with Duyufun al-Kiram.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, honorable guests.
SPEAKER_00:Hey, if you have a story to tell, we'd love to have you on. Here you'll find a safe space of listeners who can understand what you're going through. Just shoot us an email with a summary of your story at info at halalmatch.ca. So we touched a little bit on the topic of uh the sira and how they had simple weddings. And the thing is when you tell someone we should try to imitate the simple weddings at the time of the sira, we don't take into account one very important thing, which is women back then they were honored, single or married. They were community dignified women.
SPEAKER_02:And they didn't need a big marriage to validate the exactly, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But but today, because of the singlehood epidemic, because of the loneliness, because of like ghosting, because of like all the crazy, crazy things that go in like in the singlehood scenes, because of that, especially us women, we feel that this is our day. This is the day where I prove to the world that I made it, that I am honorable, that I am to be celebrated, that my journey, my saber, my loneliness, my sacrifice, all of it like came to a happy ending.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's like completing a marathon.
SPEAKER_00:Something like that. So I think it's much deeper than just telling someone, oh, you should opt for a simple wedding. Because a lot of times the things that the wedding brings out, the wedding discussion brings out is trauma, is like past experiences, bad experiences.
SPEAKER_02:I think that brings up more deeper underlying problems, which is number one, encouraging and supporting young people getting married. Yeah. Right. And because the more we're dealing with marriage, the more not just this loneliness epidemic, but other problems come about, right? And you just listed many of them. And the other problem is is that tying validation and closure and all of these things to marriage, you know, and just treating it like as if uh it's a marathon or we're competing for the Olympics or something like that. And that just indirectly puts more pressure on this performance, right? This show that we have to put that people have to put on for the community. And you know the interesting is we were just talking about this before we start recording, that um in one of the episodes we recorded one of the interviews we did with uh Sister Hina Mirza, and she was talking about how many fights and sometimes marriages break off during the honeymoon phase. Yeah. And one of the reasons is that because there is so much resentment and frustration that builds up during the marriage, and it they can't obviously release all that during the marriage, and once the honeymoon comes, their vulnerability is down and they're more calm, all of that resentment and frustration comes out. Fights happen and blow-ups and all sorts of things, and and it just becomes really, really problematic.
SPEAKER_00:Not to mention the stress that comes with like delays the days leading up to the wedding. Yeah. And the family interference, and this person's telling you this, the other person is telling telling you that. So and you have like five different functions and changing between this dress and that dress and all of that, and the guy is just thinking about all the debt he's accumulated, right? Planning for this wedding.
SPEAKER_02:Now, of course, I want to caveat this and say, you know, if you have the money, by all means, you know, have uh go go big or go home, right? I'm not gonna tell you to, you know, not not spend the money on on your beautiful day. But at the same time, always remember that a an expensive wedding doesn't necessarily mean a beautiful wedding. Yeah. Right? Like I said, and like we just shared in our story, we kept it as simple. Of course, yes, we did spend some money, your parents obviously lost some money, but our intention was always to keep it special, beautiful, meaningful while keeping it within a reasonable budget.
SPEAKER_00:Meaningful, that's uh an important word. I think a lot of times we forget the meaning behind what we're planning. Uh the the cake, for example. A couple want uh the girl wants to have this big cake, and the guy thinks it's just uh like a waste of uh money, nobody eats the cake.
SPEAKER_02:We weren't planning on having a cake, right?
SPEAKER_00:No, no, we haven't, we weren't. But what what's what's the meaning behind the cake? Like why is a cake so important? I feel a lot of times once like we try to have open conversations instead of just going head to head and like conflicts and trying to convince each other and guilt each other and all of that. Once we have open conversations, we're gonna start to learn about why we want this thing. Is this thing really important? Do we really need it, or is it just because I saw it on Instagram or my friend had this at her wedding? Or so go a little bit deeper, what I'm trying to say. Go deeper.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and going uh along the the topic of the cake, I mean the guests have already loaded themselves up with dessert and food and tea and coffee and etc. They have no space for cake.
SPEAKER_00:No, yeah. That was just an example.
SPEAKER_02:No, no, no. But it's a good it's a good thing you brought that up because I can recall almost every wedding that I've attended where the wedding the the wedding cake did not get consumed. Yeah. It happens almost every time. Yeah. And it's just an unnecessary expense. Those cakes are expensive.
SPEAKER_00:Very expensive, yeah. Very expensive. Um what other details? I don't know. We want to have um uh this caterer and not that caterer. Is it because his food is really better, or is it because he's more famous and he has like I'm big on food.
SPEAKER_02:Like I want good food. If I'm if I'm getting married, there better be good food at my place uh in my wedding.
SPEAKER_00:I was just uh saying that social media plays a huge role, a huge part in this. Like we see a lot of things, and every every year there's something new coming up that they make you feel like how how did people have their weddings before without this thing? Like it's a must.
SPEAKER_02:And that's how they sell uh engagement rings.
SPEAKER_00:It's at the end of the day, it's an industry. Just like Valentine is an industry, Christmas is becoming an industry, it's all industries. So usually when talking about the wedding, what's on the guy's mind is money, budget. How much we should spend on the wedding. Of course, the girl is thinking about other things, how it's gonna look, um, like the practical stuff, I guess. Oh, the beautiful, the fun stuff, the fun stuff. But I suggest that in front instead of asking how much we should spend on the wedding, we should ask a little bit more deeper questions. Like, for example, what does this wedding need to do emotionally?
SPEAKER_02:What do you mean?
SPEAKER_00:Why do we want to plan our wedding in this in this specific way? What desire is it fulfilling for us? What feelings is it satisfying for us? Because they could have completely different expectations. For him, it's well, there's nothing emotional, it's just a way to announce our wedding and like share it with family and friends. For her, it could be no, this is the day I've dreamt of since the day I was young, since I was, I don't know, this is something that my dad would always talk about when you grow up, I want to see you as a princess in your on your wedding day or what. So they are operating from completely different systems.
SPEAKER_02:So let me ask you a question.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:When you were getting your wedding dress, how much was that wedding dress?
SPEAKER_00:Uh, if I remember correctly, close to 200 dinars, which is like, I don't know, 400 Canadian, you could say. Okay. But that was rental.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. So what was this wedding dress doing to you emotionally? What desire was it fulfilling?
SPEAKER_00:It was an expression of my inclination or my love for simplicity.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:I wanted everything in the wedding to scream simplicity.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, beauty and simplicity.
SPEAKER_00:Beauty and elegance and simplicity. So the dress was one way to symbolize that.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. And what fear would show up if we didn't do it that way?
SPEAKER_00:You're talking about the wedding or the dress?
SPEAKER_02:The the dress.
SPEAKER_00:What fear that uh if I would go with like uh one of those poofy dresses and like drapes on the ground stuff and all of that, then it would give the the impression that I'm this kind of person. Um a person who loves loudness and extravagance and more and uh what is the opposite of minimalism? Maximalism? Extravagance. Extravagance, right? Which I'm not.
SPEAKER_02:Right. Okay. Like, were there any specific deal breakers for either of us when he came to the wedding?
SPEAKER_00:I think both of us wanted to have music in the wedding. Yes. Both of us wanted a mixed wedding. Yes. Uh but we were in agreement with our non-negotiables. Yeah. Both of us didn't want to have like uh too many guests, so just the people who cared about us, genuinely. Yeah. And yeah, I think the rest were just like minor details.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And our parents pretty much gave us the freedom to do it the way we wanted.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Which was great.
SPEAKER_00:Which was great. I think also because we were a little bit older, so Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So they gave us more trust. Yeah. But I guess not everybody has the the luxury of going about their wedding this way though.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Another question to ask is if we don't have our wedding the way we want, which disappointment hurts more? Our disappointment or our parents' disappointment?
SPEAKER_02:Uh our disappointment. Yeah, I agree. Of course.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I agree. Another question to ask. If we removed the camera from the scene, there were no cameras, what would remain? Would we change anything about the wedding?
unknown:No.
SPEAKER_02:For us, you mean specifically?
SPEAKER_00:Well, I was asking in general, but I think for us I would say no. Because we weren't doing anything just for the photos and like for Instagram and for all of that. But this is a good question to ask yourself. If there were no cameras, if uh this whole celebration wasn't gonna be documented, it's just something you were gonna enjoy at that time, and that's it. Would you change anything about it? Maybe you would choose to go with, I don't know, less makeup. Maybe you would choose to go with a less expensive suit. Maybe for the guy I mean. Maybe you would choose to go with no cake. If it's just about how this wedding is gonna make us feel at that moment. So just remember, if the wedding is gonna cost you peace, uh is gonna cost you heartache, is gonna draw this drift between you and your partner, then it's already costing you too much.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And always remember, guys and girls, that there is beauty and simplicity. And the marriage, or specifically the wedding day, is not meant to be a financial burden, an emotional burden, it's meant to be a joyous occasion.
SPEAKER_00:Focus more on baraka than how it looks. Yeah. Uh don't start your marriage with a debt.
SPEAKER_02:Please don't. Yes. Please don't. Yeah. No.
SPEAKER_00:It's like you're gonna enjoy that day, that beautiful day, and then the real hardship is gonna begin if you start your marriage with debt. After the wedding, guests go home, people talk about it for a few days, and that's it. They forget. And then you're left with that financial burden. So keep it within your means, like you said, keep it within Allah's guidance, and inshaAllah Allah puts the barakah in it. Attached to the episode is a PDF file, just like we've been doing for the past few episodes. Some reflections and some questions you can ask yourself and ask uh your potential partner about how to plan the wedding in a way that like aligns with both your expectations, inshallah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So and also try to have that conversation earlier on rather than you know, six months into the courting phase and then realizing that you guys both have non-negotiables and you know, this potentially beautiful relationship could end. Try to have it earlier on in the courting phase.
SPEAKER_00:I would say before the engagement. Like not the first topic you discuss. Of course not, no. No, but before like you make things formal, before the engagement.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. And as always, if anything resonated with you, feel free to comment. Uh, share the episode with anybody that's looking to get married or is engaged, about to get married.
SPEAKER_00:And Mabrook in advance. Yes, until next time.